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30 August 2006 @ 09:11 pm
Like I need another fandom  
Curiosity got the better of me and I got hold of the first season of Supernatural.

Now I remember every single thing about the X Files that made me a fan of it - and whaddya know? Lotta familiar names in the credits there...

Plus? Teh pretty!!

(oh, and I have no doubt this has been done already, but Dean so needs to meet up with Faith... I'm just sayin')
the girl who used to dance on fire and brimstone: faith//close up - mewhiskyinmind on August 30th, 2006 08:24 pm (UTC)
The Amy Acker episode is the one I'm watching right now actually! It would be so fantastic to see anyone from BtVS in the show - in character would be amazing, but the actors in other roles would rock my world right now!
JG: Angelmobilejgracio on August 30th, 2006 08:34 pm (UTC)
So... You seeing how SPN is a reaction, a contrast, an attempt at getting to a pre BtVS status quo yet?
the girl who used to dance on fire and brimstonewhiskyinmind on August 31st, 2006 07:08 am (UTC)
In what respect?
JG: Bangel Datejgracio on August 31st, 2006 07:43 am (UTC)
There's been a meta-y post on how Supernatural is an attempt at going back to a pre Buffy status, especially when it comes to gender.

Yanno, the big strong men do the saving, guns are important, females are usually villains or fairly useless when it comes to the heroing business?

Now, silly me, and from what I've seen of SPN, which isn't everything, thought the entire males do the saving is a consequence of the heroes being male, and everyone who aren't the heroes being generally useless with the supernatural.

There's also a comparison of Dean and Xander, with Dean being a "serious" Xander, with the big difference being that in SPN male values are reinforced while in Buffy... they're not.

I could link to it if you want.

I thought it was intelligent, but there's such a thing as over analysing something, I mean, in BtVS a show that's all about female empowerment (supposedly) I can find "proof" that it's actually a cautionary tale about giving women power.
the girl who used to dance on fire and brimstone: spn//sam & dean - autumnsongwhiskyinmind on August 31st, 2006 07:51 am (UTC)
Oooo - actually I'd love to read that! I don't remember if I mentioned it here before or not, but I did my Honours Thesis on the X Files at Uni and one of the primary focuses(... focii?) of it was the gender role reversal - Mulder became the feminised character (belief in the supernatural, desire to recreate the family, primary qualification is psychology which can be seen as a more feminine speciality than Scully's hard science) and since, even four episodes in, I can see huge parallels with the X Files it'd be interesting to see someone argue that the boys are functioning in traditional gender roles.

I don't particularly agree with the gist of it I don't think, yes the 'males' save the day but that's - as you say - purely because they are the ones with the knowledge of the situation. A primarily feminised situation - belief in the supernatural was associated with the female long before Joss Whedon's gradfather was a twinkle in someone's eye...

I absolutely agree with you on the over-analysing thing, start out with an agenda and you can pretty much prove anything you want. :)

(I got me a SPN icon now! It's not ideal, and I just know I'm going to end up making some myself...)
JG: BX by dothestarswyoujgracio on August 31st, 2006 08:14 am (UTC)
There might be spoilers in the discussion, they talk about episodes you might not have seen...


People also make a big thing about the Dean actor (I think it was him) saying SPN is less campy than BtVS. Which, remembering how much humor was a part of BtVS, I gotta gree with. SPN takes itself a whole lot more seriously, takes the threats more seriously.

And in BtVS, just look at Anyanka.

She "empowers" females resulting in nothing but bloodshed, pain and misery. Ergo, power for females is a bad bad thing. :D

But then again, I have trouble reading Buffy as anything but entertainment, all the analysis, and general placing of BtVS on some kind of pedestal don't sit well with me.
the girl who used to dance on fire and brimstone: spn//sam & dean - autumnsongwhiskyinmind on August 31st, 2006 08:40 am (UTC)
Hmmm. I skim read it quickly and completely disagree with it so far. What I think I'll do is watch the whole of the first season then go back and read it more closely. (And, knowing me, I'll come up with an alternate essay as well... *g*)

TV analysis is an odd thing, I just mentioned this to monkey_matt who said "It's just a TV show!" which I get and agree with, but on the other hand, any kind of analysis of Shakespeare could result in someone saying "It's just a play!". Since I did my degree in media I'm always going to be 'reading' anything I watch on TV or film, that's part of me now, but I don't agree with placing a show on a pedestal in the way this essay seems to have done with BtVS (like I say, I've only skim read so far, I may be picking up something that's not intended).
JG: Geekjgracio on August 31st, 2006 09:26 am (UTC)
I don't think we can not analyse something. We're built to try and look for patterns and stuff, chances are humans beings will for the most part always analyse stuff.

I get that. But people don't know when to quit, and stuff gets over-analysed to the ground, which IMO is BtVS case.

IMO, when the subtext and reading between the lines overpowers the text, that's when you need to stop. Of course even this isn't always true, especially for art produced under repressive governments, where you can't just come out and say whatever it is you want to say.
the girl who used to dance on fire and brimstone: text//busy reading fanfic - martoufmartywhiskyinmind on August 31st, 2006 09:30 am (UTC)
IMO, when the subtext and reading between the lines overpowers the text, that's when you need to stop.

Absolutely. 'Reading' a text in an analytical way should enhance the text itself, not negate it which is what seems to happen with a lot of the essays on fandom I have read.
JG: Bangel Datejgracio on August 31st, 2006 10:12 pm (UTC)
Seeing a episode about a killer painting, featuring Sarah.

If Sarah's not a strong woman I don't know what is.
the girl who used to dance on fire and brimstone: spn//sam & dean - mewhiskyinmind on September 2nd, 2006 06:48 pm (UTC)
Watching the episode now.

Damn, Sarah is a great character! (Since I've been bitten by the SPN fic bug she may well feature...)

And absolutely - the epitome of a strong woman character!