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10 March 2008 @ 10:59 am
The Unpopular Opinions Meme - answers so far  
Unpopular opinions meme:

smhwpf asked about Serenifly:

Book was a waste of space. I know if they'd had longer to expand his arc it might have been more interesting, but I just find him dull and the time spent on him could have been better spent on more interesting characters.

Forcing the 'ship' of Mal/Inara robbed it of the spark that made it interesting in the first place.

velvetwhip asked about BtVS:

Willow did not deserve to be happy in season seven. She became manipulative, entirely self-centred and not a nice person at all. All her redeeming characteristics had bled away and left a mockery of an amazing character.

Spike should *never* have been neutered. And the re-introduction of Spuffy after the rape attempt was a huge mistake, especially given the extreme lack of basic differences between souled!Spike and unsouled!Spike.

Buffy made a big deal of giving girls the choice to become Slayers, but she forced that choice on them in the same way Sineya was forced. The fact that it was a woman doing the forcing does not make it any more forgivable.

velvetwhip also asked about AtS:

I like Kate.

Saint Cordy of the Bobble Head was a hugely bad idea, which I think the writers realised and tried to address with the evil!pregnancy story line but… they didn't go far enough. Cordy was best when she was Queen C. In Rm w/vu when she stands up to fight and says "Lady, the Bitch Is Back" – that's the Cordy that works. Anything after that was just a pale imitation.

I'm not a fan of season five. Again, there's the potential of having been cut short and storylines being rushed, but Eve was a bore, Lindsey's complete about face from the character we saw leave in season two was insane (although I do believe if there had been more time to explore the character motivations it would have worked, but alas that time was not given). The introduction of Spike was a gimmick – luckily it was one that paid off and made me appreciate the character I had once loved again.

agt_bush asked about Supernatural:

I like Bela. I do not think she is evil, or working with the big bad. I think she has her own purely selfish motivations for what she's done/doing and has severe trust issues which mean she doesn't think she can rely on anyone but herself. I know this is a hugely unpopular opinion, I've had debates and arguments with people about this and I know we’re never going to agree but… I like Bela.

I don't see Wincest subtext. At all. I have a sibling and the age gap between she and I is comparable to the age gap between Sam and Dean. We acted in similar ways to them, and there is absolutely not even the slightest hint of incest at all. I can see how, given different performances on screen, the situations could be read in that manner, but with the performances we have as canon – no. Not in the slightest.

Not every episode works. There are some clunkers in there that I probably won't really watch again. (The Benders, Usual Suspects, possibly even Salvation)

Since there are UKers watching at ITV2 rate on my flist, this next is in white – select the text to read. I worry about the introduction of a Lilith character. I worry that using such a long-standing, well-known, and controversial mythology arc at this point in the show (which is still a bubble-show after all, season four doesn't automatically lead into season five…) is a mistake. I worry that Lilith and the implications will overshadow the show and it will become all about her rather than about the core of the show. Sam and Dean. I do trust the show, I just think there's a potential issue here that has perhaps not been fully recognised.

tessarin asked about Star Wars: EU



I really hated Children of the Jedi. It felt horribly like the introduction of a plethora of Mary Sues into the SW Verse and there's kinda enough of those in there as it is. And the Black Fleet Crisis? Puh-lease.

Speaking of Mary Sues, Bria Tharen? Could not be a bigger Mary Sue if she was actually called Mary Sue. The entire 'Han Solo Trilogy' is… not good. It had a lot of potential but things were swept aside to explore the wonderfulness of the wonderful Mary Sue Bria.

New Jedi Order. Oh where do I start with the NJO? Asides from taking Mara and turning her into first a victim and then a new age mother, there was the whole crapness that was the Yuuzhan Vong in the first place. The whole series is… what, 19 books? Should have been – at the most – a trilogy.

Troy Denning writes like a bad fanfic writer. And yet he is apparently the new figurehead of SW:EU novels. I'm distressed by this. Bring back Tim Zahn, bring back Mike Stackpole, hell even bring back Kevin J Anderson!!!

fresleyforever and dimlondeiel both asked about Doctor Who

I'm not a fan of 9. I was, until I saw 10. Now I just think Chris Eccleston was hamming it up the whole time.

I really, really, really, really, really loathe the apparent attempt to force a 'ship' between the Doctor and the companion of the time. More than anything I hate DRose because it robbed us of two really fascinating characters by forcing them into 'couple' mode.

I don't want to see the Daleks again. From being an awesome big bad, they've become hugely over used and a bit crap now.

(and the popular opinion – or at least it was when I was more active in the fandom – I wanna see other planets!!!)

dimlondeiel also asked about Torchwood

Ianto's starting to be boring. Yes, he's gotten more badass this season, yes there's the whole Jack/Ianto thing, but some character development would be nice alongside that.

I don't really care about Gray or Grey or whatever. Jack's back story isn't all that interesting to me right now and if he never finds his estranged brother I'll be happy.

The referencing to other shows is not clever, it's annoying and a cheap gimmick. Yes, Rusty et al know their audience, but having all the BtVS/AtS tropes in there? And now there's the added 'search for the missing family member whilst fighting monsters' aspect that seems to be cropping up. Yes, I know these things were hardly original to Buffyverse or SPN, but they worked there. On Torchwood they're like a tenth generation copy of a video nasty. (and how sad is it that there are a few people on my flist who just will not get what I mean by that!?)

And that's it so far – got any more fandoms about which I can tell you what I really think?
 
 
 
bitterbird on March 10th, 2008 12:36 pm (UTC)
I like your answers
I agree with a lot of what you sayand even Kripeke knows the show has weaker eps,
its an interesting meme I think :)
the girl who used to dance on fire and brimstonewhiskyinmind on March 10th, 2008 05:22 pm (UTC)
Thank you *bows*

It's a really interesting meme, and it seems to be bringing a lot of things into the light which people have maybe not been too keen to talk about before. Which is all for the good!
Ah yes, quite a bunch of us, isn't it?unhobbityhobbit on March 10th, 2008 01:05 pm (UTC)
Do you like Bela as a character or as a person? If you like her as a person I'm going to look at you weirdly.
the girl who used to dance on fire and brimstone: spn//bela 3.06 - unfamiliargirlwhiskyinmind on March 10th, 2008 03:36 pm (UTC)
I love her.

I want to be her when I grow up.

*g*

Okay, so maybe not. I love the character, I love how she's extremely flawed and intensley brittle. I can't wait to see what happens when she breaks, because I get the feeling it's going to be pretty spectacular.
Oh Castiel!: Ruby: black-eyessmeckles90 on March 10th, 2008 01:34 pm (UTC)
You know what, I think my main problem with Bela is the acting. As much as I think Lauren Cohan is a lovely person, I'm not sold on her acting capability. Maybe I'll warm up to her if Kripke gives her an ep that's the equivalent of Ruby's Malleus (not ramming her down our throats, but enough screen time and background to round her off)...though with fan opinion as it is, I'm not sure that'll happen.

Probably an unpopular opinion (maybe?) that I hold is that I'm glad she stole the colt. It gives her a purpose on the show and a reason for appearing over and over. Before it didn't really make sense, considering the boys managed two whole seasons without bumping into her and all of a sudden she's appearing every couple of months.
the girl who used to dance on fire and brimstone: spn//bela 3.06 - unfamiliargirlwhiskyinmind on March 10th, 2008 03:39 pm (UTC)
See, I think she's a far better actress than Ms Cassidy, I have real issues with the crapness of the accent, but other than that I think she pulls it off really well. I think perhaps because I'm looking for what I think might be the intentions behind her actions, I can see the little looks and the split-seconds of self-doubt.

I hope they do give her a chance to show us what her motives really are, it would be such a shame if fandom reaction led to her story being curtailed. (And yes, I have the horrible memories of fandom reactions in BtVS leading to the Spuffy show...)

I'm still of the belief that everything that's felt a little off so far this season will make so much more season in retrospect. I hope.
laura: PD - Olive \o/hopeless_cynic on March 10th, 2008 01:39 pm (UTC)
I think you've just hit on why I didn't like Cordy in Angel... never realised it could've been because of that.

I didn't not like Kate, I just never really took to her. Think it was 'cause I wasn't a regular viewer, so I don't think I saw that much of her.

\o/ Someone else who likes Bela.

Is it bad that I'm agreeing with your unpopular opinions? I'm kind of disproving them as unpopular. I'll shut up now.

*g*
the girl who used to dance on fire and brimstone: cordy//look up - kornpeepwhiskyinmind on March 10th, 2008 03:41 pm (UTC)
There were moments with Cordy where you could see where she came from, and then they would do something like Cangel and make half the audience retch (then of course there was Concord which no one got on board with).

When she was on form she was awesome. Shame she wasn't on form all that much.

Yay! More people than I thought like Bela - I can think of three of us (including me) now! Yay!
laura: SPN - Jared cowboy hathopeless_cynic on March 10th, 2008 03:55 pm (UTC)
Hmm. I remember seeing some original Cordy in some of the earlier episodes, but by the time I stopped watching it completely, she wasn't the same girl. Concord = Connor/Cordy? I wasn't watching then but remember reading something about that.

I thought it was just me who liked Bela lol, yay! I actually prefer Bela to Ruby, although I like Ruby more than I used to, now.
the girl who used to dance on fire and brimstonewhiskyinmind on March 10th, 2008 05:17 pm (UTC)
Yup, Concord is Connor/Cordy. Which... *shudders* Just, no. A world of no.

I get that they wanted to show that she'd grown up from the vapid socialite that we knew in BtVS but they took away her essential Cordyness when they did.

Ruby... I like the character, the actress? Really not so much. God love her, but she's a leeetle bit wooden a whole lot of the time.
laura: SPN - Jensen & firehopeless_cynic on March 10th, 2008 05:30 pm (UTC)
Hmm. I can see how that would be icky. Putting it mildly.

They really didn't need to change her character to make us realise she'd grown up - all of the things she went through? I think we can figure out that she was more mature by the end, it didn't need to be shoved down our throats, lol!

I'm not a fan of Ruby. I don't know why, I think it's a combination of the character and the actress, but I just don't like her. I get that there's a reason for her character, and I'm hoping that, like with Bela, they keep the storylines going and don't chicken out with them, I'm just not really liking her. I've started to appreciate the character a bit more, but still not a huge fan.
Applesauce Parkerapgeeksout on March 10th, 2008 03:50 pm (UTC)
I love Bela! I like that her motivations are so different from all the other characters in Show's universe. If her stealing the colt (which I think is a good thing for the boys, storywise) means that they're giving her a stake in the war, I'm going to be seriously bummed.

I was pretty crazy about season 5 of Angel, but I do see your points here.
the girl who used to dance on fire and brimstone: ats//lindsey looking for home - mewhiskyinmind on March 10th, 2008 05:20 pm (UTC)
I think Bela's such an amazing character - and very brave of Show to introduce such a morally ambiguous *human* character at this point in its run. I have my theories about her stealing the colt, from a completely and utterly spoiler-free perspective, she has her own need for it. Something is being held over her head and she needs the colt for a personal act. I don't think she has any intention of selling it to the highest bidder, she's going to use it for whatever purpose she took it, and then I don't think she really cares what happens to it. (I also think that whatever it is she needs it for is something the boys would have been on board with helping her out with if she could have but asked them).

season 5 had its good moments, but as an overall arc it just felt flat to me. It felt as though they were treading water a lot of the time which meant I wasn't too bummed out when they didn't get renewed.
Applesauce Parkerapgeeksout on March 10th, 2008 05:48 pm (UTC)
I also think that whatever it is she needs it for is something the boys would have been on board with helping her out with if she could have but asked them.

I ♥ this idea! She hinted at having some big plan for it & I too am utterly unspoiled, but I will be happy so long as it has nothing to do with the bigger Hell vs humanity arc.

Several of my favorite episodes are from season 5, so that probably colors my perception of it. I'm actually still a little bummed that there was no more, given how the finale played out. I never expected a happy ending, but I think they deserved a hopeful one.
velvetwhip: Willow Phases by mara_shovelvetwhip on March 10th, 2008 03:59 pm (UTC)
Love hearing your opinions. While I do not necessarily concur with all of them, I see your point. And I do agree about Saint Cordy and Buffy. I also agree about Spuffy in Season Seven, but for slightly different reasons.


Gabrielle


Gabrielle
the girl who used to dance on fire and brimstonewhiskyinmind on March 10th, 2008 05:21 pm (UTC)
As my mum would no doubt have said, it'd be a funny old world if we all thought the same.

*g*
Maryfresleyforever on March 10th, 2008 05:45 pm (UTC)
I am going to ask about Doctor Who :)
the girl who used to dance on fire and brimstone: dw//utopia master (JS) - mewhiskyinmind on March 11th, 2008 09:59 am (UTC)
Laura: doctor hero - mara_shodimlondeiel on March 10th, 2008 09:07 pm (UTC)
How about Doctor Who/Torchwood?
the girl who used to dance on fire and brimstone: tw//logo colour change - eyesthatslaywhiskyinmind on March 11th, 2008 10:00 am (UTC)
*grins*

(side note - I like Ianto, really I do!)
Sam PF: Misbehavesmhwpf on March 10th, 2008 09:54 pm (UTC)
Book... hmm, he had his moments, like the scene with River in Jaynestown, and the occasional coming up with knowing surprising stuff (like in the Message), but yeah on the whole they didn't do enough with him to make him worthwhile most of the time.

I rather liked Mal/Inara though. They were... sparky. Again, if only the show had carried on so they could have explored where it went after Inara's decision to leave... but there's so many statements beginning "If only the show had carried on...".

Hmm. I seem to agree with approximately 50% of your unpopular opinions, overall. *g* Haven't seen any opinion polls to know if they really are unpopular though!

Agh, what they did to Cordy! Talk about totally neutering a fantastic character! Of course she changed with the visions and life with Angel generally; and becoming more compassionate and committed are entirely natural developments, but did they have to so totally empty her of snark and make her so generally wet????

But I liked AtS5, I must say. In fact it's grown on me the more I've watched it. (While BtVS 7, for example, has shrunk.) Though getting to play Angel in the readthrough we did of it probably helps! Have to agree though that it was a bit jarring the way Lindsay went from so... not exactly on the path to redemption, but opening up his mind a bit, fed up with the whole evil lawyer lark and ready to start rethinking himself, when we last saw him, to "I'm going to get the in on the Big League Evil" when he came back. But the way he ended was cool.
the girl who used to dance on fire and brimstone: ats//lindsey looking for home - mewhiskyinmind on March 11th, 2008 10:18 am (UTC)
there's so many statements beginning "If only the show had carried on...".

You've just captured the entirity of the problem I think. My issues with Book would have been put to rest had we had more chance to interact with him - either as he currently is/was or in relation to his mysterious past. Mal/Inara - if we'd been given the chance to see them apart as well as not-quite-together it may have allayed my fears about them.

What they did to Cordy was just awful. I think it really began just prior to the Pylea arc and they never recovered from it.

I've just started to rewatch Angel from the beginning, and I have to say I've not rewatched season five since it aired. There are a few episodes I rewatched at the time, but other than that - nothing. I'm hoping that a rewatch will perhaps change my views on it, because there are some amazing moments there.

And Lindsey's end (or is it?) was really well done.
Sam PF: Angelsmhwpf on March 11th, 2008 12:57 pm (UTC)
I place the irretrievable descent of Cordy into blandness from Birthday, an episode I loathe with a passion. Up to then she still had plenty of character about her, like in the Darla arc and the exchange with Lilah in Billy. She was changing certainly, becoming more compassionate and so forth, which was all potentially well and good, although there were bad signs of overplaying the 'saintly bearing of her visions burden' thing. But I think it still could have gone either way there.

I think I found on the first watch of S5 that, while the eps were pretty good, it seemed to lack coherence, andy sense of going anywhere (in line with the more episodic programming required by the network) - but on rewatch you can see more where it's all building up to.
Laura: doctor hero - mara_shodimlondeiel on March 11th, 2008 07:02 pm (UTC)

I don't want to see the Daleks again. From being an awesome big bad, they've become hugely over used and a bit crap now.


In total agreement on that. Especially after that awful two-parter in S3. It's boring now.

Ianto's starting to be boring. Yes, he's gotten more badass this season, yes there's the whole Jack/Ianto thing, but some character development would be nice alongside that.

I'd love to see some character development of Ianto, though I do love his more confident snarkiness this season. I'm hoping for more character-driven episodes in the final stretch of the season to give the other regulars some development (since Owen has).